Have it reported down in the Keene area. You don't know what's going on. A lot of times. Join as a sustainer and support independent local news for your community. Good morning guys. I would just suggest that in my experience as a reporter covering this covering this issue for a few years at least at what point do we reach a certain critical mass for lack of a better term of accounts where I'm not to suggest that you guys aren't taking this possibility seriously. All of that remains unanswered but it is an extremely interesting question. So you want identifiable backgrounds. Its closest living relative is the cheetah. But on the other side of that coin there is this sense that there have been so many sightings locally and you guys Patrick you might recall the name the Wyndham McCracken she kind of turned herself into a local authority off authorities the right word but she was very dedicated to this. Patrick Tate: It's wow interesting that you brought this up because I've had people report I saw cardamom. Ive received pictures of dogs at odd angles, says Tate. Peter Biello: Yeah well what do you think Pat is. The way that we define species has undergone a revolution with the advent of DNA testing. You know one of the the biggest questions I have about that is it points to how much we don't know and if in fact we don't know enough. Patrick Tate: It became a very interesting investigation over time because it started becoming. 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. Monday, December 5th: Mountain Lions in New Hampshire? So I think the point that I just want to get across is that there is a very strong sense this here in the and not region that there is that there is some sort of mountain lion population how large it is how extensive it is. That's why we always go back to the physical evidence to support what they're reporting. And that's this morning at 10:00 here on NH PR. We have evidence and as biologists we would find it quite exciting to find that evidence of one in the state. Caller: I do. John is calling from Bennington. The last documented individuals in the entire Northeast were killed in New Brunswick , Canada, in 1932, and Maine in 1938. And so far we have not had any positive mark lion scats or any DNA. Caller: Well I think Patrick I recognized your name. We'll be right back. And Rick van de Poll naturalist and founder of ecosystem management consultants of New England. People were calling the New Hampshire Fish and Game director's office saying why are you dragging your feet on this. Patrick Tate: Well I've never seen an Easter cougar so I can't say when I've handled these 10 cougars and whatnot. Thanks for calling. Rick van de Poll: Well the mountain lion of course has been sort of an enigma in the wildlife suite for years and years. Peter Biello: So Rick seems like you agree that the tail is a big giveaway whether or not it's a mountain lion Absolutely. We discuss what residents may have been seeing and what breeding mountain lion pairs would mean for our ecosystem. Peter Biello: Mm hmm. M from Tree Hill author series presenting Diane lay back. It was some sort of a Lion Mountain Lion animal. So maybe a good pet for you but not for your neighbor if you just stop by unannounced. The sightings have not been confirmed; in fact, there have been no confirmed mountain lion sightings in New Hampshire since one was shot and killed on the seacoast in the 1850s, said Patrick Tate . Really appreciate it. Right. Fish and Game looked into the labs to have them confirm the information in the reports which the labs did not. Peter Biello: Today on the program Patrick Tate New Hampshire Fish and Game Wildlife biologist and far better project leader Sam Evans Brown host of an HP podcast outside in which is about the natural world and how we use it. Caller: It had just left that field and was out. Peter Biello: Well hey Rob. Some of the reports that I looked into that were actually on file at the local fish and game office were even from people who did not live locally. The cougar is also commonly known as mountain lion, puma, mountain cat, catamount, or panther. Peter Biello: Worth mentioning if we're scaring anybody question a mysterious mountain lions lurking perhaps in someone's backyard. It's bigger but bigger and better world. Today she talked with us a little bit before the show about why the mountain line is so compelling and why we want it to be part of our world. It was killed in Lee New Hampshire in 1853. Peter Biello: Thank you for sharing that. Patrick Tate: And there's one other way to model that is the same animal. Patrick Tate: So it's very typical. But if you were to get Western dispersing mountain lions just would just sort of expanding into New Hampshire. Thank you. Thanks also to Rick van de Poll naturalist and founder of ecosystem management consultants of New England and Sam Evans Brown host of an HP podcast outside in about the natural world and how we use it. There's always been physical evidence to prove those situations like hair or fur scat hair prints pictures of the animal print scat hair. Peter Biello: Give us a call 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7 you can also send us an email exchange at an HP morgue. It all used to be based on measurable physical traits color, skull size, paw size, etc but now its based on whether an animal can be shown to be genetically distinct from others. And as the biologist who's gonna stand on this and if I'm going to say this is a proven picture I need to be able to stand on it so soundly and have the evidence so I going to go through it with a fine tooth comb kept picking pieces apart trying to answer these pieces. The next week, on June 11, the cat was hit and killed by an SUV on the Wilbur Cross Parkway in Milford. The scientific name for the catamount is Puma concolor. Want to put this to to Patrick Tate who may have heard some some info or info from listeners like you about these these these cats. Border Sam Evans-Brown: And when we talk about subspecies this actually leads to to an interesting tangent which is that the field of biology recently has been sort of revolutionized by the use of DNA to determine what subspecies are. We're not in the woods. Patrick Tate: Same here in New Hampshire too. And now that everyone and their mother has a remote camera in their back yard its just so, so unlikely that there are resident, breeding mountain lions in New England that are living invisibly among us, he says, Its become Big Foot.. Well let me ask maybe Pat and Rick about this. I really really enjoyed listening to this program so thank you all very much. (Credit: Buddy Wilkerson via Storyful) . Have you heard stories do you have questions about the mountain line. Anytime at any HP broad dot org or subscribe to our podcast search Apple podcasts Google Play or stitcher for an HP bar exchange. Sam Evans-Brown: So I just had two thoughts which is that we hear a lot of these stories and all of us here have heard these stories. Peter Biello: From New Hampshire Public Radio I'm Peter Biello in for Lark Knoy and this is the exchange. State officials have said, over and over in recent years, that the eastern mountain lion has been completely wiped out from the Northeast. Information that weed family automotive dot com sunny for today high temperatures low to mid 80s clear tonight overnight lows in the 50s tomorrow sunny highs in the upper 80s. Mountain lions remain an enigmatic animal for residents of New Hampshire, with New Hampshire Fish and Game reporting three to five sightings per week. The trouble with accepting every reported sighting as a confirmed mountain lion is that there are so many mistaken identifications. Car Crash 65 Miles From Mass. You saw what you saw. Sam Evans-Brown: You know the North America had a number of large predator species when humans first arrived in the continent. County road and all of a sudden a big cat jumps out of the woods over a stone wall stood in the middle of the dirt road as I rode towards it. So here in New Hampshire when a person turns in something that the Department believes is possible mountain lion and believes it should be investigated further. We'll hear from her periodically through the show. And I saw you cat about four feet long from nose to tail come across from the water across the road and just leap over a six foot perimeter fence in a single bound. Sam Evans-Brown: But I mean the video I had been sent was you know a recording of a animal growling but it was in slow motion and when I asked the person why is this in slow motion the denied that it was so there's a lot of weird stuff that happens in regards to people claiming they've seen they've seen these things. PublishedNovember 16, 2018 at 6:16 AM EST. Patrick Tate: I would say well when social media first started they picked up the hoaxes became much more prevalent in the last four or five years hoaxes have died down completely. Rick shaking his head so Rick now correct me please. So I would put this in the category of sort of like shark attacks right. I mean they're a survivor. Peter Biello: Well Karl Jarvis a former reporter for The King's son Nile thank you very much for for calling in and sharing your perspective and to his point Patrick T. I mean yes we haven't met the scientific burden of proof here in New Hampshire as far as physical evidence is is concerned but is there room at Fish and Game For A kind of an informal nod to all of the people who have somehow convinced themselves and possibly some others that yeah there may be occasional sightings here. And I just said I saw I saw they from behind the shoulder all the way past the long tail. We're going to talk a little bit more about habitat first but then we'll get into sightings. So I know it's another unconfirmed report but you string enough of these together. I've actually had to walk in on one or two now and look at what was going on and figured out what was going on. Sam Evans-Brown: Well and I think and the last takeaway here is everyone I think probably agrees that any possible sightings that have been seen. I hope she's listening and she had spoke to a lot of different people ended up having a couple of sightings of her alone without sort of by accident. So now what's going on. We rely on readers like you to support the local, national, and international coverage on this website. Give today. Still, it's been over 100 years since the last mountain lion was killed east of the Mississippi, except for a patch of them down in Florida, where there are supposed to be 100 to 200 still living. When they were landing or taking off and it seems like it's been there for like. There's these animals aren't coming with a map saying oh I want to go here. According to the Nebraska Game and Parks report, a homeowner heard growling coming from underneath his porch while working outside. Mountain lions live in the state. That's the real story is they can't follow up on every one of these sightings. Caller: It had to be a mountain lion convinced I was about 30. A 140-pound male mountain lion was hit by a car and killed in 2011 in Milford, Connecticut. Sunny today high temperatures low to mid 80s it'll be clear tonight overnight lows in the 50s for tomorrow sunshine with high temperatures mid to upper 80s. I don't know if she still is. You know perhaps poke around where you saw it and see if you can find a track. John you're on the air. So one thing I'd point out is we've been talking about situations with no evidence a number of them come in with photographs and yet what they fit what they description of the animal they saw and by the way I got a picture of what I saw. "Of those three to five reports, one. Rick van de Poll: 80 90. 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